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		<title>By: happyhippy</title>
		<link>http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/preparing-for-app/comment-page-1/#comment-1166</link>
		<dc:creator>happyhippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the first paragraph, that&#039;s exactly what I&#039;m talking about. The descriptors have been split into 9 sections and staff will have to judge what level students are working at for each of the relevant descriptors (e.g. when researching and presenting on a controversial topic there will be very few opportunities to hit any &#039;sequencing&#039;).

I also agree that simple, summative levelling is not what is required - and the idea is very much that staff will be assessing as they go, this won&#039;t be based on one assessed piece of work - but will be linked to units of work (so we can say that &#039;Little Johnny&#039; did well during the early part of the year, but struggled after Easter).

Using the DB as devised above, it would be possible to see when tasks were met, and by a relatively simple expansion, to track who has provided that assessment - or using a tiny bit of leg work even without that expansion.

As for MAPS, I have used it to submit iMedia coursework and have to say I was singularly unimpressed with its usability and intuitiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the first paragraph, that&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m talking about. The descriptors have been split into 9 sections and staff will have to judge what level students are working at for each of the relevant descriptors (e.g. when researching and presenting on a controversial topic there will be very few opportunities to hit any &#8217;sequencing&#8217;).</p>
<p>I also agree that simple, summative levelling is not what is required &#8211; and the idea is very much that staff will be assessing as they go, this won&#8217;t be based on one assessed piece of work &#8211; but will be linked to units of work (so we can say that &#8216;Little Johnny&#8217; did well during the early part of the year, but struggled after Easter).</p>
<p>Using the DB as devised above, it would be possible to see when tasks were met, and by a relatively simple expansion, to track who has provided that assessment &#8211; or using a tiny bit of leg work even without that expansion.</p>
<p>As for MAPS, I have used it to submit iMedia coursework and have to say I was singularly unimpressed with its usability and intuitiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to remember that APP is applied across a sample of work and requires judgement.  The idea is that, when you look at a sample you make a judgement about what &#039;level&#039; it is indicative of.  It is definately NOT about producing a piece of work to &#039;qualify&#039; for a certain criteria.

If you &#039;do&#039; APP after a single unit of work you may not have enough evidence to make a rounded judgement - the aim is to make rounded, wholistic judgements, not fragmented ones.  

An APP tracker system might be an electroning record keeping system but should not actually calculate levels - this is still down to &#039;judgement&#039;.  I think you&#039;d also need to keep dates of when the various assessments were made and when the overall &#039;level&#039; was re-evaluated so that you can track progress over time.

Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if you could link the assessment made to pupil work and some teacher comment?  - it seems to me that this is beyond a basic Access database.  TAG are working on this through their MAPS project which seems well though through and integrates with Moodle I think.

There may well be a case for a simple recording system but I would try to limit the scope of such a project so that you don&#039;t try to do everything.  I have seen an Access database for just this which I will try to dig out and upload for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that APP is applied across a sample of work and requires judgement.  The idea is that, when you look at a sample you make a judgement about what &#8216;level&#8217; it is indicative of.  It is definately NOT about producing a piece of work to &#8216;qualify&#8217; for a certain criteria.</p>
<p>If you &#8216;do&#8217; APP after a single unit of work you may not have enough evidence to make a rounded judgement &#8211; the aim is to make rounded, wholistic judgements, not fragmented ones.  </p>
<p>An APP tracker system might be an electroning record keeping system but should not actually calculate levels &#8211; this is still down to &#8216;judgement&#8217;.  I think you&#8217;d also need to keep dates of when the various assessments were made and when the overall &#8216;level&#8217; was re-evaluated so that you can track progress over time.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if you could link the assessment made to pupil work and some teacher comment?  &#8211; it seems to me that this is beyond a basic Access database.  TAG are working on this through their MAPS project which seems well though through and integrates with Moodle I think.</p>
<p>There may well be a case for a simple recording system but I would try to limit the scope of such a project so that you don&#8217;t try to do everything.  I have seen an Access database for just this which I will try to dig out and upload for you.</p>
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		<title>By: happyhippy</title>
		<link>http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/preparing-for-app/comment-page-1/#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>happyhippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an existing Moodle block (Progress, by Mark Tyers) which does something similar with OCR Nationals grades (Pass, Merit, Distinction) but it&#039;s hard coded and having spent about 8 hours trying to hack the PHP I ended up with a broken Moodle :-( DM me your email address and I&#039;ll chuck over what I have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an existing Moodle block (Progress, by Mark Tyers) which does something similar with OCR Nationals grades (Pass, Merit, Distinction) but it&#8217;s hard coded and having spent about 8 hours trying to hack the PHP I ended up with a broken Moodle <img src='http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  DM me your email address and I&#8217;ll chuck over what I have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy K</title>
		<link>http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/preparing-for-app/comment-page-1/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...  tough one.  This would be very easy to do in access but how to build it into moodle is far less ovious...

It would make a nice little module in it&#039;s own right though - if I had the time I would offer to write it for you.  It would just need to present a screen for each student enrolled in course with various tick boxes and then do some calculations on them...

You may be able to find a freelance coder to write it for you...

The other alternative would be to do them as a collection of offline activities, one for each level and get staff to enter the grade as a 0-3 depending on how many statements achieved for each level, then do a calculated grade to workout the sublevel depending on what criteria you choose.  Not idea as you will not be able too see which statments you said they could do...  Or one step further and have an assigngment for each statment taking a 0 or 1, then a calculated grade...  This gives you a full picture but is a little slower to enter.  I would suggest you use &#039;quickgrade&#039; in the gradebook and just fill in the 0,1&#039;s then again use the calculated field to generate the final level...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;  tough one.  This would be very easy to do in access but how to build it into moodle is far less ovious&#8230;</p>
<p>It would make a nice little module in it&#8217;s own right though &#8211; if I had the time I would offer to write it for you.  It would just need to present a screen for each student enrolled in course with various tick boxes and then do some calculations on them&#8230;</p>
<p>You may be able to find a freelance coder to write it for you&#8230;</p>
<p>The other alternative would be to do them as a collection of offline activities, one for each level and get staff to enter the grade as a 0-3 depending on how many statements achieved for each level, then do a calculated grade to workout the sublevel depending on what criteria you choose.  Not idea as you will not be able too see which statments you said they could do&#8230;  Or one step further and have an assigngment for each statment taking a 0 or 1, then a calculated grade&#8230;  This gives you a full picture but is a little slower to enter.  I would suggest you use &#8216;quickgrade&#8217; in the gradebook and just fill in the 0,1&#8217;s then again use the calculated field to generate the final level&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: happyhippy</title>
		<link>http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/preparing-for-app/comment-page-1/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>happyhippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry complained about that earlier, but can;t see a way to take it off :-(

At the end of a unit of work, teachers should have a series of criteria (e.g. planning an ICT solution, evaluating the effectiveness of the solution, etc. - although not all 9 will be relevant for every unit) and then award a level for that criteria (e.g. 4). As there are 9 criteria, this should build up over time into a picture of increasing ability and understanding and we should be able to track when that criteria was met.

If a student has met all criteria to L4 and 5 or 6 to L5 then they would be graded as 5c (working towards L5). On getting all L5 they would be 5b (secure L5) and having moved on to 2 or 3 L6 they would be 5a (beyond L5).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry complained about that earlier, but can;t see a way to take it off <img src='http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>At the end of a unit of work, teachers should have a series of criteria (e.g. planning an ICT solution, evaluating the effectiveness of the solution, etc. &#8211; although not all 9 will be relevant for every unit) and then award a level for that criteria (e.g. 4). As there are 9 criteria, this should build up over time into a picture of increasing ability and understanding and we should be able to track when that criteria was met.</p>
<p>If a student has met all criteria to L4 and 5 or 6 to L5 then they would be graded as 5c (working towards L5). On getting all L5 they would be 5b (secure L5) and having moved on to 2 or 3 L6 they would be 5a (beyond L5).</p>
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		<title>By: Andy K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aghhh  I hate you anti-spam word - I have type this 3 times now and forgottent to put in the word...  And when you go back it has forgotten what I typed...

Anyway let me check, you want techers to select the statements from this list for each student (per unit)?  How do you want this infor fed back?  Levels/sublevels returned to students, students can see which statements were ticked etc?

Just trying to get a clear picture of what you are after...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aghhh  I hate you anti-spam word &#8211; I have type this 3 times now and forgottent to put in the word&#8230;  And when you go back it has forgotten what I typed&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway let me check, you want techers to select the statements from this list for each student (per unit)?  How do you want this infor fed back?  Levels/sublevels returned to students, students can see which statements were ticked etc?</p>
<p>Just trying to get a clear picture of what you are after&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: happyhippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>happyhippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: Drupal. Hmmm. Another CMS to go along with Moodle, Mahara, Joomla, ELGG, WPMU, B2Evo.... I&#039;m getting brain fade just listing all the systems we already use! :-)

Andy:The idea is that the staff grade the students. While self assessment is a very useful tool, I&#039;m really after a recording and reporting tool right now that we teachers use to assess the pupils&#039; progress ;-) While we could do it as a quiz, it doesn&#039;t really have the recording capabilities in terms of when that criteria was met (which unit), etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: Drupal. Hmmm. Another CMS to go along with Moodle, Mahara, Joomla, ELGG, WPMU, B2Evo&#8230;. I&#8217;m getting brain fade just listing all the systems we already use! <img src='http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Andy:The idea is that the staff grade the students. While self assessment is a very useful tool, I&#8217;m really after a recording and reporting tool right now that we teachers use to assess the pupils&#8217; progress <img src='http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  While we could do it as a quiz, it doesn&#8217;t really have the recording capabilities in terms of when that criteria was met (which unit), etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy K</title>
		<link>http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/preparing-for-app/comment-page-1/#comment-1158</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I check a few facts?  Is the idea that you include these various statements, and students pick the ones they feel they meet and it returns a level grade for them?

If so the obvious solution is to build it as a quiz in moodle, then match the questions with scores - mayble level 3 gets 1 point for each statement, level 4 gets 10, level 5 gets 100, level 6 gets 1000 etc...

Then determin their level by looking at the total score, and return the level based upon how far through each interval they are...

If this sounds like the kind of thing you are interested I&#039;ll can have a go at putting something like this together for you to look at...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I check a few facts?  Is the idea that you include these various statements, and students pick the ones they feel they meet and it returns a level grade for them?</p>
<p>If so the obvious solution is to build it as a quiz in moodle, then match the questions with scores &#8211; mayble level 3 gets 1 point for each statement, level 4 gets 10, level 5 gets 100, level 6 gets 1000 etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Then determin their level by looking at the total score, and return the level based upon how far through each interval they are&#8230;</p>
<p>If this sounds like the kind of thing you are interested I&#8217;ll can have a go at putting something like this together for you to look at&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bateson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Bateson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drupal has nice module called http://drupalmodules.com/module/table-manager . Would that help get you started ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drupal has nice module called <a href="http://drupalmodules.com/module/table-manager" rel="nofollow">http://drupalmodules.com/module/table-manager</a> . Would that help get you started ?</p>
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		<title>By: happyhippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>happyhippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the more I look at this, the more I realise that this isn&#039;t a simple Teaching &amp; Learning problem, and the more I think that while it&#039;s good to have a significant say in this, creating the solution is really beyond my remit. I don&#039;t have *time* to be engineering a complex solution, but a short term one isn;t really going to help much.

On the plus side, our sets don&#039;t move around and if we label them by intake year (e.g. 06A1 instead of 9A1) then it saves re-jigging things. Pfeh. Think I would rather be marking, for a change :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the more I look at this, the more I realise that this isn&#8217;t a simple Teaching &#038; Learning problem, and the more I think that while it&#8217;s good to have a significant say in this, creating the solution is really beyond my remit. I don&#8217;t have *time* to be engineering a complex solution, but a short term one isn;t really going to help much.</p>
<p>On the plus side, our sets don&#8217;t move around and if we label them by intake year (e.g. 06A1 instead of 9A1) then it saves re-jigging things. Pfeh. Think I would rather be marking, for a change <img src='http://happyhippy.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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